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A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling
by Mark Twain

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped
to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer
be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained
would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2
might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the
same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with
"i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.
Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear
with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12
or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.
Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi
ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz
ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud
hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

# Drop let(t)ers you don’t need: de(b)t, (k)nee, favo(u)r, ax(e), definit(e)
# Chanj double leters like: (ph)fotograf(ph), (p)syk(ch)ology, sk(ch)ool

"THIS PHONETIC LABYRINTH"

Dearest creature in creation,
Stydying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer,
Pray console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Diea, diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain
(Mind the latter, how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade;
Say - said; pay - paid; laid, but plaid.
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Previous, precious, fuchsia, via,
Pipe, snipe, recipe, choir,
Cloven, oven; how and low;
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, ailes,
Exiles, similes, reviles;
Wholly, holly, signal, signing;
Thames, examining, combining;
Scholar, vicar and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far.
From desire, desirable; admirable from admire.
Lumber, plumber; bier but brier;
Chatham, brougham, renown, but known.
From knowledge; done, but gone and tone;
One, anemone; Balmoral;
Kitchen, lichen; laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German; wind and mind;
Scene, Melpemene, mankind;
Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, reading, heathen, heather;
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth and plinth.
Billet does not sound like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet;
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would,
Banquet gives no clue to parquet,
Which is said to rhyme with darky,
Viscous, viscount; load and broad;
Toward, to forward, to reward.
Your pronunciation's okay
When you say, correctly, croquet;
Rounded, wounded; live and grieve;
Friend and fiend; alive and sleeve;
Liverty, library, heave and heaven;
Rachel, ache, moustache; eleven.
We say hallowed but allowed;
People, leopard; towed, but vowed.
Mark the difference, moreover,
'Twixt mover, plover, and then Dover.
Leeches, breaches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable;
Principle, disciple; label;
Petal, penal and canal;
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal;
Suit, suite, ruin; circuit, conduit,
Rhymes with "shirk it" and "beyond it",
But it's very hard to tell
Why it's pall, mall but Pall Mall.
Muscle, muscular; gaol; iron;
Timber, climber; bullion, lion;
Worm and storm; chaise, chaos, chair;
Senator, spectator, mayor;
Ivy, privy; famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
Pussy, hussy, and posess;
Desert, dessert, and adress,
Golf, wolf; countenance; liutenants
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.
River, rival; tomb, bomb, comb;
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not sound like anger,
Neither dos devour like clangour.
Soul but foul, and gaunt but aunt;
Font, front, wont; want, grand and grant;
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
Then say singer, ginger, linger.
Real and zeal; mauve, gauze and gauge;
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post; doth, cloth and loth;
Job, job; blossom, bosom; oath.
Though the difference seems little,
We say actual but victual;
Seat and sweat; chaste, paste and caste;
Leigh and eight and freight and height;
Put, nut; granite and unite.
Feoffer does not rhyme with zephyr.
Dull, bull; Geoffry, George; ate, late;
Hint, pint; senate and sedate.
Scenic, phrenic and pacific;
Science, conscience; scientific;
Tour, but our; and succour, four;
Core provides a thyme for door.
Gas, alas, and pass, and was-
Dickens started off as "Boz".
Sea, idea, guinea, area;
Psalm and charm; Maria, malaria;
Youth, south, southern; cleanse and clean;
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Look up alien and Italian;
Dandelion and battalion.
Sallied, allied; yea and ye-
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay!
Say aver, but ever, fever;
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Never guess-it is not safe;
We say calves, valves, half but Ralph.
Heron, granary, canary,
Crevice, and device, and eyrie;
Face, but preface and efface;
Phlegm, phlegmatic; ass, glass, bass;
Large, but target; gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour; and urging.
Ear, but earn; and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but there.
Seven is right and so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, clerk and jerk;
Asp, grasp, wasp; and cork and work.
Tunnel surely rhymes with funnel?
Yes it does and so does gunwale.
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Houswife, verdict and indict.
Aren't you mixed up, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?
Finally, what rhymes with tough-
Though, through, plough or cough? Enough!
Hiccough has the sound of "cup"-
My advice is-give it up!

nitro2k01 skrev:Usch och fy...

# Drop let(t)ers you don’t need: de(b)t, (k)nee, favo(u)r, ax(e), definit(e)
# Chanj double leters like: (ph)fotograf(ph), (p)syk(ch)ology, sk(ch)ool

Eftersom jag faktiskt uttalar b't i debt och p't i psychology så tycker jag att dessa riktlinjer blir extra fåniga.

barracuber skrev:Men det är väl ditt andraspråk?

Inger skrev:

nitro2k01 skrev:Usch och fy...

# Drop let(t)ers you don’t need: de(b)t, (k)nee, favo(u)r, ax(e), definit(e)
# Chanj double leters like: (ph)fotograf(ph), (p)syk(ch)ology, sk(ch)ool

Eftersom jag faktiskt uttalar b't i debt och p't i psychology så tycker jag att dessa riktlinjer blir extra fåniga.

De ska inte uttalas.

jonsch skrev:

Inger skrev:

nitro2k01 skrev:Usch och fy...

# Drop let(t)ers you don’t need: de(b)t, (k)nee, favo(u)r, ax(e), definit(e)
# Chanj double leters like: (ph)fotograf(ph), (p)syk(ch)ology, sk(ch)ool

Eftersom jag faktiskt uttalar b't i debt och p't i psychology så tycker jag att dessa riktlinjer blir extra fåniga.

De ska inte uttalas.

Hm, som jag har förstått det så ska "de(b)t" uttalas som om man vore täppt och sa "täppt", d.v.s. med ett slags paus före t:et.

Inger skrev:Jag har fått uppfattningen att det är helt stumt precis som k:et i door(k)nob, eller t:et i mor(t)gage.

jonsch skrev:

Inger skrev:Jag har fått uppfattningen att det är helt stumt precis som k:et i door(k)nob, eller t:et i mor(t)gage.

Stumt ja, men visst ska det väl ligga en "paus" före t:et? Eller uttalas det som när en täppt uttalar "tätt", d.v.s. ungefär "dett", med kort t?

jorand skrev:engeskan...?

LILITH_ skrev:

jorand skrev:engeskan...?

Ja, det fastnade jag också för.



Edit: En förklaring kanske är på sin plats - det är ett pyttelitet stavfel i omröstningsrubriken.

Angående topic så är jag gammaldags nog för att tycka att det är rätt fånigt med förenklande stavningsreformer. Rättstavning är inte min starkaste sida, men ändock.

jonsch skrev:

Inger skrev:

nitro2k01 skrev:Usch och fy...

# Drop let(t)ers you don’t need: de(b)t, (k)nee, favo(u)r, ax(e), definit(e)
# Chanj double leters like: (ph)fotograf(ph), (p)syk(ch)ology, sk(ch)ool

Eftersom jag faktiskt uttalar b't i debt och p't i psychology så tycker jag att dessa riktlinjer blir extra fåniga.

De ska inte uttalas.

Hm, som jag har förstått det så ska "de(b)t" uttalas som om man vore täppt och sa "täppt", d.v.s. med ett slags paus före t:et.

jonsch skrev:Faktum är att det är just ordens utseende de flesta lär sig och utnyttjar när de läser, så det skulle gissningsvis gå minst lika fort att lära sig hieroglyfer som exempelvis kineserna gör.

Gissar jag rätt så bör vi väl antingen övergå till hieroglyfer eller till konsekvent användning av befintligt eller nytt alfabet(-liknande teckensystem).